Perhaps the darkest thing in modern gaming is early access. Making gamers pay for unfinished projects feels so shady and now most of these never get done EVER! The release of The Culling 2 really highlights that this is a business built on greed so let's rant about it.
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Xaviant wrapped up its "deadly game show" battle royale The Culling last year, pushing the game through Steam Early Access and Xbox Game Preview in October. The studio then announced its shift to a new project in December 2017. That game? A sequel. We're already getting The Culling 2. Fans of the original are less than enthused about the sequel. The Culling got off to a decent start in March 2016, but things went downhill from there. As director of operations Josh Van Veld recently told PC Gamer, "We did dozens of patches and content updates after that, but we never saw our sales or player numbers return after the initial boom died down. To be honest, apart from a passionate core audience, the majority of PC players haven't seen or thought about The Culling in two years." Notably, The Culling 2 will not launch in Early Access -- it's out tomorrow on PC, PS4, and Xbox One. I understand Xaviant's desire for a clean break, so to speak, but winning over old fans won't be easy. Clearly the developers want to compete with Fornite Battle Royale and PUBG but I dont think they even have a chance. Fortnite Battle Royale's gameplay and Season 5 are already too strong for this to find room on consoles.
Deathmatch, the original Battle Royal. It was not invented in 2016. It may have been a mode called "Last Man Standing" or "One life" etc. Counterstrike perfected the formula for team based 1 life matches.
I played online multiplayer games before CoD crap, respawning every second didn't used to be a thing. So when it's suddenly gone, others think it's new.
A large, useless map where you never find anyone so you are "alive" longer giving people a false sense of accomplishment was more of the recent thing.
Then don't whine to us and don't play early access games some people like early access games some people buy them because they are so dumb and they get a good laugh out of all the unpolished glitches that aren't in triple a titles because they are more polished
An early access game is essentially an unfinished demo and I will never support such a greedy, lazy and shoddy business tactic. Plain and simple. High quality games that are finished deserve my hard earned money, not this B.S. nonsense.
Where the fuck did you get the Culling was the first battle royale game? H1Z1 was out in early access before the Culling and even then the playerunknown's Arma mod was out before that. Don't rant on shit you don't know.
I’ve never bought an early access game really with the exception of snooker championship 2016 on the Xbox one game preview. It’s a pool type game that never made it out of preview which isn’t a big deal anyway. I remember when ark survival evolved came out and I tried it and never got into it. Not that it’s a bad game, just not my cup of tea. At least ark got a full release though
You are dead Nutz on sir. It is sad that gaming has been destroyed. Not for morons, or ppl with attention spans the size of a gnat. But The early access model also gets the "mod" community to basically do a lot of development and programming etc with promises of future pay off. The Developers get their cash on early access then flip us all the bird and run with the money.
Early access is a definite problem, not just because of early access itself, but also because as the whole system catches on, some AAA developers are doing their own variation of it, releasing games at full price with very few features, promising additions down the road through patches and DLC, when really a lot of that stuff should have just been in the game at launch. It's a very worrying trend, to be sure.
Early access survival crafting bullshit
Battle royal children's playgrounds
Mmo lite daily chore games
Retail price Games with a battle pass
Can all die in a fire, give me rainbow six Vegas 3 and Amy hennig's Star Wars.
Nobody should trust developers with games in early access just like that. You may or may not get a good game for investing into an early access game, everyone should be aware of that, there will always be people who just try to make money. (like the culling dev's, i liked the game but i ain't paying money for a "sequel". f**k that!)
But consider early access like donating money to the developers, not buying a game. Getting early access to their game is just a bonus.
Either way, without people paying dev's for early access games, a lot of developers wouldn't be able to continue developing the game at all. (you need to pay for assets you put into unreal engine for example, once you reach the free limit that is)
Besides, money is what motivates people. It's hard to invest hundreds of hours (and $) into creating a game without being motivated.
Early access is a good thing, but again, there will always be people just trying to make a quick buck.
Yep, I bought a few that got cancelled mid-way through development. Some of those are Dovetail games flight sim world and Grav, and there's 2 I know of that got cancelled and are now getting sequels instead, and those are jet racing extreme and guardians of orion.
im with u. ill stay with great,finished games! i recently bought the whole F.E.A.R. trilogy on steam for $11! the content in the first game alone is worth that or more. im very happy with a complete product.
Meh, it's pretty easy to hedge your bets and support early access games that are by good/known developers and have a good track record. Wreckfest and Overload turned out very well and I backed both early access. To support Early Access and not have a problem with it, you *have* to approach it with the mindset you may never see or get a finished product. If you're ok with that and want to support the developers, then there's no problem. If you do have a problem with it, then just wait for the final product/official launch. It's really that simple, just have to use your brain a little.
This is nothing new. What is Mechwarrior Vengeance vs Mechwarrior Mercenaries? Vengeance was released buggy and incomplete, Mercs was released a year or two later with updated code. Same shit Micro$oft did it first.
I think companies or would-be-companies have simply developed a new business model, instead of own investment to make and market a product to make a profit at the risk of losing their original investment, they simply promise a product get the money before hand, don't ever deliver the final version but do enough to keep the clients hopeful so they don't get completely angry and keep pouring money into the project, I think it's a bit a legal loophole, would you imagine if they'd make movies instead of games? they would give you first the script, then pay more money and get the unedited footage, then the whole movie but without the VFX, and so on, gaming is the only industry companies can get away with this shit.
You know, I'm not even mad at the lazy hacks who use early acess to just earn some quick cash. I'm mad at Valve for being so oblivious and I'm mad at the people who seem totaly fine with throwing money at unfinished, never-out-of-EA crap (hi there, PUBG).
Like Jim (fucking) Sterling (son) said in his recent video - this is why we can't have nice things, or even tolerable things in gaming. Someone does something good (in this case the idea of early acess) and then someone else takes it and completely ruins it for everyone.
I'm blown away how you state the facts and and let us gamers no about all the bullshit that goes on and there's close to 100 dislikes on your video, is it just people that didn't like your video in general, or is it people disagreeing with what your saying and support this shit that goes on. I don't really understand. My thoughts are, I'm in total agreement with what you spoke about dreamcast guy and as a gamer I'm also pissed off that this anticonsumer practices is a loud to happen.
Why do people contribute to projects if they are unwilling to consider the money lost? I agree 100% early access is not cool. I'm okay with a kickstarter for a game to come out (like Shovel Knight, etc), but early access as a thing is really a scam to me. The only game I played early access was this game Mercenary Kings. I got burnt out on the lack of content, and then when the game came out (super late) they had changed what had made it fun in the first place.
I've only tried it with Ark evolved, and from that experience I learned NEVER EVER EVER to buy into an Early ripoff / Early access experience.
Unless they show a history of completing products and their new product is 90 % done.
Since my girlfriend is a pc gamer I've had to research many Early access games, and often they stay in early access, but there are still good early access titles like My Time At Portia out there.
My advice would be to do research on said Early Access title before throwing your money at them.
If it's a dev that active in the community and updates the game on a regular basis then go ahead.
But for the love of the gaming gods don't buy early access games only based on buzzword pitches and pretty stills.
The people who disliked the video does not understand capitalism. What I mean if their idea of capitalism is to lie, cheat and steal then they can take those thoughts and shove it where the Sun does not shine.
I have to say you are absolutely right but some of my best experiences have been with early access, some games I have seriously got my money from already way before release and the good thing is when big developments drop in the project you have a good reason to go back in all over again and get your moneys worth again. one downside of a completed game usually is once its finished you put it to one side and move to the next, you rarely get massive developments from completed games so its easy to get bored of what you already have.
games like subnautica or escape from tarkov are easily value for money way before they release you can put so many hours in and then go back when updates happen and sometimes the content drops are huge like a whole new game. I do absolutely agree tho massive caution has to be used when picking and choosing who to support, history plays a big big part.
wreckfest is a game that was in development for a long time with lots of development issues but behind wreckfest was bugbear who have a good history you could be confident the game will get completed and you are playing a part in supporting that and most people again will have put more than enough hours into that before release to warrant the initial cost.
I guess a game that is a good example of needing early access would be something like sea of thieves, its released and died basically on arrival and no matter how many times we hear new content is coming you just know the game is a failure and really really would have benefitted from early access and lots of it. with a name like rare behind it I would say its fair to suggest that early access would have sold millions and you could be confident it would be finished and they could take all the time in the world with it, you create a happy player base long before it needs to go gold.
The only early-access game I've ever supported was the PUBG and the only reason I did that was because my friends recommended it.
The premise for that game looked promising back then, but fast forward to this day and I regret that I ever supported that sinkhole.
So yeah, early-access games...screw them.
Still waiting on Star Citizen to be something playable. Actually, I've pretty much lost interest in SC; the ships are way too expensive, and I'm not really seeing the game I want in SC.
That said - I'm gonna toss a bit of contrarian in here with counterexamples: Minecraft, Kerbal Space Program, Don't Starve, Subnautica. All had early access before their release, all got released, and all are great games. Astroneer has announced a release date, and Oxygen Not Included is made by the same development studio who made Don't Starve so I'm sure they know what they're doing.
Maybe it's not so black and white.
Yeah, there are developers that do exactly as you say: Turn to EA as a way to get a quick buck, or lose interest in a game before it's finished and bail. So yes absolutely we need to watch out for them. Personally, I look for games that are either (a) almost done and already polished, or (b) made by a studio that has a good history. If Astroneer were completely abandoned today, I would feel like I've already got my money's worth. So to me it's acceptable. Oxygen Not Included is made by Klei, who has already finished a few games. So to me that's acceptable too.
If a developer wants to use EA, then EA should in my opinion start when the game is worth the purchase price. It's a big mistake to release a game into EA too early, when the developers themselves don't know if the game will be worth it.
Keep fighting the good fight Dreamcastguy. Most of us know you rant about stuff like this because of how much you care about the industry. Early access in principal sounds like a great thing and can produce great projects. However, it can also lead to complete dumpster fires. There needs to be more quality control but I doubt Steam even cares enough to do that. I may not agree with a lot of your reviews but I always agree with your passion for the industry to keep getting better. Keep on dreamin buddy
Nope, I refuse to do this early access thing and actually can not understand how anyone could be stupid enough to do it. I am doing something that might be considered in the same arena as early access but I don’t see it that way. I think that American McGee’s “Alice: Madness Returns” was a masterpiece and I love it. Damn thing came out 7 years ago and I still love playing it. I also enjoyed the first in the series, American McGee’s Alice, but it hasn’t aged well. Regardless, Madness Returns was amazing and he’s trying to make a prequel to the original game. As deep as you are in the gaming industry I am willing to bet you know a lot about McGee and you also know the EA owns the rights to the Alice games. He has been gathering support and funds to be able to make a product that can present to EA so they will agree with him doing another. It doesn’t have early access so that doesn’t work and I have nothing to show for it, but I love his vision when it came to what Wonderland really is. I don’t consider giving him $35 a month on Patreon as a foolish investment because I got so much more out of Madness Returns than I paid. Do you see my actions as being foolish and doing early access because I don’t and simply see it as helping the creator of a game I love get the chance to continue his vision. I’m actually curious to see your views on what I am doing. Keep being great brother. 🤘🏻
Content gets boring eventually. Mechanics must remain the same though. Solution?
New maps. New classes. New skills, not different existing skills. New skills. People will take time to get bored of the new stuff.
No need for a sequel. I hate early access. BTW, I have mad respect to MAX since he can get mad and still be classy by NOT swearing his head off! Truly appreciate this =)
Early access is like communism it sounds great at first but then you see it all the reasons why it’s stupid
I mean seriously the rule of life is to pay someone as a reward for doing a task not pay them before
be true to yourself... this is not who you are...terrible vid.. i get what your trying to do... but maybe practice, goto improv class... if you care about being successful and i wish you the best .. but i cant stay silent...
The only thing I've ever crowd funded was a couple of years ago I gave $100.00 to John Spinello. Back in the early 60's he invented the board game "Operation". At 77 he needed oral surgery costing more than $25,000 and could not afford it. It seemed so heart breaking !!! After all the hours my Sister and I played with that game I just had to help. But as for early access games or Betas I do not and will not support them.
Fortnite is pretty much done, it's made by a big company. They will just add new stuff every week that are useless to the actual game. If it's ever "Done" Guess what, something will be more popular by now.
This is a legitimate question. Can someone explain to me why people play early access games? With so many great games in my back catalog that I still haven’t played I don’t understand how one can find time to play an unfinished game. I don’t understand why I would ever play one when I’ve got literal classics that I’ve bought and haven’t even touched yet.
That's how I felt about Warframe. They put in half-baked content in there and leave it abandoned if it doesn't work out... Yet, I've invested $90 and 275 hours (as of this comment) because the half baked PvP got me hooked.
The game industry at the moment has become littered with bad practices, exploiting gamers for money. Early access games are just another method for companies to make more money. When gamers play an early access game the numbers gamers determine the game's future but the company will always make money even if there is low or high numbers of gamers playing that game. It's a bad practice, many early access games will/do not get completed, gamers are getting exploited as unofficial playtesters and companies are getting making money process. Also the percentage of early access games that end up complete and turn out to be good is very few. Early access games just should be avoided.
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