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Thats actually incorrect around the 2 minute mark. Its not that Logan killed Delores before she could reach the town where Arnold and her shared their time, its that when she found it the whole town was buried with sand. It was after that Logan killed her.
Can someone explain this to me? First, there was Arnold. Dolores shot him. Then Ford created Bernard, who looked exactly like Arnold, though Bernard knew nothing about him. So how is it that Bernard lived in the real world by that name and no one ever pointed out to him, that there was a guy named Arnold and you look just like him? It is impossible that no one ever met Arnold up to the point when they opened the park. Please explain!
It is funny to see that people that post here are pissed that season 2 will air in 2018 and that those replying to those posts says that it's better to take longer time making a second season for this show than rushing it to 2017...
I 110% agree with those who reply. Season 2 will have a heavy weight to carry now that season 1 was a masterpiece. I'd be more than happy waiting a long time for season 2 rather than having it airing early and then cancelled because it didn't live up to the hypes...
If you haven't watched it a second time, go watch it now! The second time, I caught so many things that I didn't notice the first time around. They basically throw the entire thing in your face the entire time, and you don't see it because they distract you with pretty things :) This show is really well written. Go watch it again!
BeautifulbyDesign I think Wyatt was actually a notorious host but somehow Arnold decided to mix him up with Dolores so that she could become Wyatt herself😬😬
But given the ambigious meaning of the show, it could be that Wyatt was Dolores all along😓
Question though, after Dolores kills everyone ford says he was able to rebuild thanks to the young investor she attracted (William). So wouldn't William had to have been in the park the same time or before the Wyatt upload? Throws this whole timeline off?
So I had a thought about walking dead and westworld, what if at the very end of the walking dead series the last scene was something like, right guys that's the end of the game, all the dead comrades are not and it's just a z world in the westworld park. What you think?
Where will Dolores' journey take her next? Lets be realistic: If there is a group of sentient, hostile androids, they would be bombed to ashes.
Also, are the producers of Westworld stuck in 1937 or sometime like that? Why can there not be a future with type 1 (biological) humans living harmoniously with type 2 (non-biological) humans like Dolores and friends? The producers of Westworld made a serious mistake during the "hiatus" where they re-wrote episode 10. They may have made a fatal mistake. If season 2 will be a rehash of season 1 in Shogun-World, HBO should save their money and cancel the series now.
In some ways this is Wyatt story. While Arnold created Delores, he installed Wyatt into Delores in order to kill the other hosts and assassinate Arnold. So, while Delores keeps getting reset, it's Wyatt that keeps getting stronger. Wyatt is that inner monologue guiding Delores. Wyatt that is charge of the hosts.
Exactly! Dolores hasn't achieved true consciousness; she has just activated the Wyatt program which was created to simulate it in either an attempt to shut the park down or for her conversations with Arnold.
I do wonder still if Delores is really aware and independent at this point. The season ends with her just repeating her loop, just under different circumstances. The show hasn't fully presented its case that she is indeed 'alive', despite it being the running theme.
That said, in a twist of fate Teddy is the single host in the show (other than B-man) to show signs of becoming self aware. The key difference is that he is (seemingly) the only character to come aware completely on his own. And the show repeatedly enforces that trauma is the key to becoming alive. Teddy has arguably suffered (and seen inferredly) the most of any host from being the victim of so many others.
In the end Ford says: "this new story begins at a time of war, with a villain named Wyatt, and a killing.... THIS TIME BY CHOICE". He's referring to Dolores being the villain in the new narrative, and that the new narrative begins with his death, but unlike the first time she killed a human (which was basically Arnold committing suicide, she didn't herself decide to do it), this time it is her own choice to do so.
It still doesn't explain how Bernard/Arnold has not aged a day in 35 years (yes I know his story; human replaced with android), and no one at Delos ever said anything. Does that mean everyone that has ever worked at Delos back then, except for Ford, are no longer around? There's absolutely no one left to raise the question?
A picture survives 35 years under two inches of dirt (I'm assuming the age between young William and the MIB is 35 years), but that seems more believable than this.
That makes perfect sense. But who were the technicians working with the hosts during the Turing tests? Arnold would have still been alive in those days, since he died a few days or weeks before the park opened.
Jose Chavez - Arnold never worked for Delos. He died before Westworld opened, and Delos still hadn't taken over the park by the time William first visited, at least a few years after Arnold's death. There was a rumor that Ford had a partner who killed himself, but no one really knew who he was, or if he even existed. Logan mentions this to William when he talks about their company (Delos) planning to buy out Westworld.
having a vague timeline is how the hosts see their life ......they r constantly jumping between memory and present until they remember it all and realise that at some point they have woken up but r not sure exactly when
My prediction is that Maeve will become the leader of the sentient hosts and become the hero, and Dolores will become the villain (or hero depending on who you're rooting for) , bent on revenge towards the guests/humans once they figure out the "new" maze: escaping the park(s) and infiltrate the "real world".
Sigh, a nitpick, but... I'm guessing we're expected to believe Dolores either was under close observation during her last voyage, provided a shirt, trousers (and boots maybe) by the park wardrobe department. Or were we hallucinating with her at her encounter wiith Old William?
I think Ford let William know about the maze and left hints for his quest (like the story of the head of the snake), so that he could serve as a last trigger for Dolores, since he had been such an important part of her life.
That's just my thought, otherwise why would there be clues to the location of the maze impossible for Dolores to find?
I think the question is even if we were programmed ourselves to live out our lives in a certain way, and we find out today, would it really make everything we've been through not real? What's real is what we perceive and it doesn't matter if our decisions come from us or an unknown source as long as we believe we are making them. Hosts and humans are the same. Ford involves humans in his narrative as well, he is an expert manipulator. He programs both humans and the hosts. He has an immense control over everyone.
I'm confused by:
Dolores is called the oldest host
Yet we find out Teddy is just as old as her
We're told the hosts get their narratives changed often and are reassigned often
Yet William encounters Clementine, Dolores a few other "NPCs" that have the same jobs thirty years later.
That nobody noticed Dolores going waaaayyyy off the rails in "Present Time"(Thirty years ago they noticed it and due to William's interference allowed her to keep going).
All that Stubbs said was that Dolores was the oldest host in the park, not that she was the last of the original hosts. We know that her father was also an original, the blonde who knocked out MiB and killed Teddy was an original, and there were probably others. Dolores has been repaired so many times that she's practically brand new. The others from the beginning were starting to break down one by one, hence the cold storage.
Yes first I get. However we're told(Well the other actors tell the other actors) that Dolores is the last from the originals. I really want to find a clip of that scene so I can get the word for word on it.
this is a really great SUMMARY of what happens with dolores, but it does jack all to actually explain Westworld (which it wasn't supposed to anyway). I would assume those 3 hour podcasts weren't so surface level as this video.
One day, when humanity has finally sunk to the lowest depths of its own cesspool, people will line up outside of the Apple Store to plunk down 6 month's salary on the latest Dolores and Teddy models while their kids visit the Disney Store next to it to watch cybernetic greyhounds tear apart robot cats.
I see that the end is a closing and a wrapping one. There is no need for more episodes since we can somewhat understand everything from now on. The escaped hosts will rebel and the war on machine will start. To me, the show failed at showing Dolores as the protagonist of the show, sometimes it felt like ford was the protagonist and at times it felt Arnold was the protagonist.
Sure the continuation of the series will be interesting though. I loved the show anyway. My wife and I spent hours theorizing about each episode.
You guys do realize that almost every thumbnail and title you use for your Westworld coverage spoils the show right? I have 2 eps left and have avoided as much coverage as possible but then your vids pop up in my recommended feed and without even clicking on them I already know how the show ends. So yeah, thanks for that.
Just because one doesn't pick up hints doesn't mean the show isn't for them. Subtle hints in the show are both for those who try to analyze every detail and ruin the show for themselves and for those who find out at the end and remember the hints given to them. Because what's the sense of having a "big reveal" if not for the people who want to be in awe.
I guess that's 7 years of progress from when they first started making 'hosts' until William shows up for his first visit. The "white shoes" guys is malfunctioning - if he was maintained he would be like the boy host that is a child version of Dr. Robert Ford. :)
That's what I'm doing (just did episode 3).
What I can't understand is that you have perfect robots like Dolores and Angela, very early after the park's opening.
But Ford talks to the clunky "let's drink to the lady with the white shoes" kind of robots that were supposedly around at the same time. Their tech is atrocious in comparison.
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