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This video explains a little-used, often-forgotten but very effective classroom management strategy for taking control of really tough groups of students right at the start of lessons. This Classroom Management method is for really challenging, noisy groups that take ages to settle, cost you a lot of time and cause you a lot of stress and frustration.
You'll learn WHY some noisy groups of students take longer than others to settle down and HOW to get them in a state where they are more likely to stop talking and listen to you so that they enter your classroom on YOUR terms.
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I once splitted two students who were sitting together and talking and disturbing others during the lesson. One of them was furious and even knowing that I am not happy with her behavior tried to confront me. The question is how to tell them that what they are doing is wrong that does not result in further confrontations? Because sometimes being human you do lose patience.
Three years ago gratuated and immediately went to teach to secondary classes as a freshman. Schools usually hire fresh graduates as teachers for low salary. After a month I was at my wit's end and my throat gave up after constant screaming. I never anticipated, because I was unprepared and had old school perception of teaching; the way I was taught. Besides, I felt underpaid and disespected by both my supervisor and students.
The students were noisey and I felt invisible in the class. They did not listen to me unless I would bang the duster on a table to get attention. The supervisor seemed discouraging all the time even I did my best; evaluating me in front of my students. Before resigning I told her that at sometimes I feel loosing control over students and she said I have to do it because its my job. It is always a teacher's fault, never the students'.
It was too much for 45 minutes. You have to sign notebooks, teach the lesson, collect notebooks, screaming at students to pay attention, being soft so they do not hate you and distant at the same time so the do not ask personal questions which they should not, being always worried whether I got everything completed according to the lesson plan. I do not like punishing and rebuking so I was fed up with screaming myself. Schools are best place to learn perhaps but not to teach.
Classroom management is about managing the classroom through routines, like lining up etc
Behaviour or discipline management is about consequences for not following rules etc
Better the classroom management the easier and the less need for behaviour management
This first video is a great help and I plan on watching the rest. I broke rule #1 nearly every day this year, letting in my noisy students from the hall into class. And it took 5-10 minutes to get them settled. I look forward to more of Rob's tips and implementing them next school year.
One challenge I have as a substitute teacher when going into a class first time is sometimes the mere fact I’m a sub has the kids minds made up already that because I’m a sub they don’t need to respect or listen . I have found when I was more regular at a school and could build rapport I didn’t have those issues nearly as much . Classes were more pleasant to teach . I also find if a class is hard for their own teacher they are even harder for subs. What’s your advice there ? Today I will go to a p.d session called teaching and reaching them all which is about reaching the most difficult kids.
This can be a problem but you are obviously aware of the solution - you simply have to have ways to build rapport quickly. I teach a way to build relationships with students by putting emphasis on just two areas - showing that you sincerely care about them & communicating effectively and frequently with them. If you think about all your closest relationships they will have frequent communication and care and attention at their core; it's impossible to have a trusting, loving relationship with someone without communicating with them and without showing a deep level of care, respect & love for that person. So it's a case of going out of your way to ensure they know you have their interests at heart and communicating this to them. For a full explanation of this together with a range of fast-acting relationship builders see my book on Amazon - Connecting with Students (Or The #1 Secret to Effective Classroom Management). Best of luck x
Also I’m 4’11” and I find sometimes that adds to the challenge . What should I say to the rude 8-12 year olds who say I’m almost as tall as you or why are you short ? I sometimes tell them that’s rude.
Thank you so much for your helpful videos. I am a new teacher (second career) and am struggling with classroom management. I have a question - I teach English as a second language, and am not a homeroom teacher, so the kids are already in the room when I get there. How would you implement your strategies if they are already in the room and rowdy?
the 1st week of class is crucial to establish yourself as a strong authority and then build rapport. Let the students know at the door, like you say, who is boss. But once they enter the class, calm the voice and start to get to know kids.
I was a teacher at a very challenging school when I began my teaching career and did this, in the end it was very effective. I
Now, if a teacher established authority at the door and students continued their "sillyness" in the class, I would stop and make them line up again outside. I did this several times until they understood. Once they recognize the teacher is in charge I told them this: You do not have to like me, you do not have to like eachother but in my classroom we will atleast resepect each other. And if you feel like I am not respecting you then, by all means, I want you to write a letter to the assistant principal or Principal and clearly express your arguement. Please keep in mind to provide evidence to defend your complaint against me which means you must keep documented evidence to use. If you step out of line and do not do what I say, I will too, keep a record and have you write and sign your mistakes. If you want to accuse me that is fine, but know that I too am keeping a record. I want us all to feel free to express our VALID opinions and be heard. That is what our country is made of. However, we can not go to our higher ups with an unfounded accusation".
My class has had success in respecting me first and knowing that my classroom is my second home (because I told my students that I arrive at 7 am and do not leave until about 5:30pm). I related that with them in what is expected of a guest to behave like in their home. I even modeled a scenerio where I pretended to be a guest and did the exact same things to them (rudeness, talking back, taking what I wanted, speaking out of turn, inturrupting with an idea that was completely off base) and they were so mad at me. I said "well, just like you don't like people coming into your house and being mean and inconsiderate, I do not like students coming into my class and doing that. It's tit-for-tat".
Behold, my kids who may not like me everyday, but still learn.
I like that you spelled out a couple of bite sized manageable chunks to think about and act on right away. I have done all the things you mention both positive and negative. Now I see it spelled out for me, what I was doing that lead to x behavior and what I was doing well that led to another type of behavior, let's call it "y". As you can see I think in a math like way.. behavior b1= x and behavior b2 = y. Thank you for the insight! : )
I can tell you as a teacher at the school I’m at, that don’t work. I actually did that long before I watched this video making the kids stay in the hallway to settle them down. They’d just stay out in the hallway and keep acting up so they didn’t have to come in the room.
And positive focuses don’t help either. I told a group of students they were excellent workers and the best class grade wise and that suddenly made them think they had my favoritism and they could do whatever they wanted.
Hi Chris, inner city school environments are all similar. Similar kids, similar problems, same solution - a supportive framework of love, respect and consistent boundaries. You sound like you really care and I applaud that. You've clearly tried a lot of different tricks and strategies but to be blunt none of them will work, certainly not for any length of time, unless the framework is in place. When I talk about this particular method (the method of filtering them at the door) I place emphasis on that framework. It is part and parcel of any successful approach - no amount of strategies, tricks and methods will work unless applied consistently, within a supportive framework. One thing that I notice from your reply is that you say students are entering a classroom chasing each other, slapping each other and knocking desks over. That is probably why the method is failing - part of the framework is missing. Where are the consistent boundaries? When we let them get away with any of that behaviour they will naturally repeat it. The method works - but there is a lot more to it than just making them line up at the door.
Rob Plevin, I hate to tell you, but yes, it is the method. You have no idea where I teach and you have no idea what it’s like. It’s an inner city school of mostly African-American students, and I am the white outsider. There’s 35-38 of them per class period and one of me. Every day before they enter I tell them to come in and follow procedure, which is posted on the wall. I say good whatever to them as they enter and high five or shake all their hands. I walk in and I have kids knocking over desk, chasing each other around, slapping one another, and with a Bell Ringer on the board I still have to raise my voice in order to get over all the noise. We’ve tried the raise a hand method, we’ve tried reward charts, we’ve tried reward parties, and we’ve done exactly what you said to do for your method, and your method doesn’t work. Argue it all you want but you clearly don’t have a good understanding of a public inner city school environment. And even with all my problems I’m said to have the best rapport with all my students, but it still doesn’t help with their behavior.
It's the way you settle them down that counts - the way you speak to them, the way you interact with them. They pick up on your attitude and your feelings towards them. Not saying you have a bad attitude, but if this isn't working it is definitely not the strategy that's wrong.
This is 100% spot on. Definitely the best advice on YouTube for all teachers. I used to teach in one of the toughest schools in NJ and learned this the hard way. Those who dislike this video are probably the kids who want to take over the class.
Thank you very much for this. There are some things we think are obvious but if we don't practice them our classes can become a mess. Thanks for showing this video, I could save my class after watching it.
Any time. ;-) But I'll add an explanation as to why I'm confident I'd be able to do so... I wouldn't try to 'control ' them initially. I would start by getting to know them, by listening to them, and showing that I genuinely cared about them. I won't pretend it would be easy but that approach has worked with EVERY class and individual I've taught.
Hi again Odiana, when I say it's your classroom I am speaking generally. No matter what room you are in, you own the room; the children are guests in the room. You are the responsible adult and as such, you should be in control of the room - any room. If the children are out of control (i.e. not doing/behaving as you ask), they should npot be in the room.
As a teacher with 34 years of experience I completely agree. Positive teaching always trumps negative. I used to have a motto, praise 3 children before criticising someone. Chances were that by the time you got to the criticism it wasn’t needed.
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Hello Rob, I am actually a sub teacher with 3-4 month contracts (I am very flexible), teaching a subject that schoolchildren hate.... German.... , and will definitely try to use your strategies. I'll give you feedback in a few weeks... I am beginning a stretch with asome very tough classes right now. So... am looking forward to the experiment ;-)
Hi Rob! I’ve been working as an esl teacher for 9 years now and my problem is that I often changed classes and levels during these years. I noticed it was a problem when I started talking to a 5-year-old child as if he was 16. I was so confused ! One of my colleagues told me I must take advantage of these changings every year to find new techniques of teaching etc but I keep focusing on their behavior and I must admit that I hate my job as much as I love it. I don’t see myself doing another job but I don’t see myself teaching after the age of 40... However, what I wanted to say is that my former Headmaster had told me about the corridor technique years ago and I f*cking forgot it so I always shout in class because of this... thank you for reminding me :))
Gangly day would have a little better if we could get it a few days before hand but it’s a bit too easy and fun for kids who don’t like how to use them on your way through home with friends while others aren’t playing anymore or even more than a half of their time in a
I don't suggest being 'their friends'. Being 'friend-ly' is very different to being their friends. The lack of respect, in my opinion, is generated when people in authority don't respect the young people in their charge. A sure way of gaining respect is to first give it.
Thanks! I am currently finishing up my schooling and am full-time student-teaching in a 5th grade classroom. I am trying to learn as much as possible about classroom management! :) These videos are incredibly helpful. Thank you!
Best video I've seen. As a future teacher I've been watching a lot of videos about rules and management. So many are focused on shutting kids down through rules that are ambigous and statements that are sarcastic. Love that you are geniun with kids.
I am a Brand new teacher. And I teach a class of 40 students in India.They are in grade 1. All of them are incredibly smart, intelligent, energetic, mischievous and talkative. On the other hand, I happen to be a teacher with a very calm and pleasant face. So I do need some great ideas from you! Thank you in advance!
Thank you for this upload. I will feedback my results
My classroom has 2 doors, 1 further down the corridor near the back of their queue so some end up playing the ‘Can I get in through the back door and break the rule’ game. Further wasting time, with me ensuring they only enter through the one I’m standing at, the front of the queue. It’s a science lab and you can’t lock it, health and safety. I’m for ever handing out negatives etc.
Thanks a lot ,actually such videos are so imprtant to me because I'm a new teacher and I've never tought before , and I find it alittle bit difficult to keep the students undercontrole all the time.So thanks again
Something came to mind as I watched this that I'd really like some input on: These are all techniques designed to meet OUR needs as teachers. Our needs to have control, to fit these students into a structure that we feel WE can manage. What if we changed the structure? Kids need discipline, but wouldn't they listen to us better if they believed that some good FOR THEM would come from it?
Hello Rob. Thank you for this clear and also motivational video. I am in my second year of becoming a science teacher in the Netherlands. This year is my first in front of a class and I experience a lot of problems getting a class to listen and be quiet. This video gives me hope that I will eventually be able to succeed. Thank you very much.
Hi, Rob, I just wanted to report to you how pleased I have been with the strategy of lining students up at the door. I co-teach a math class. Before we implemented this strategy, we had a tough time getting students to focus on the material. There was significant noise and very few students plotted points in our graphing unit. After we implemented the strategy, we had almost universal student engagement as points were being plotted!
Thank you so much for sharing your approach with the world! We plan to continue using this strategy.
Hi Mr.Plevin. I've been a ESL teacher in Turkey for 14 years and I'm dealing with the most difficult group of highschool students ever nowadays..I've only watched this video but it helped me so much already! It cleared my mind and I look forward to watching every single video..thank you so much, I'm sure I'll be more and more grateful as I watch them..
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