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Classroom Management Strategies To Take Control Of Noisy Students

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Get the rest of the videos - http://www.noisyclass.com This video explains a little-used, often-forgotten but very effective classroom management strategy for taking control of really tough groups of students right at the start of lessons. This Classroom Management method is for really challenging, noisy groups that take ages to settle, cost you a lot of time and cause you a lot of stress and frustration. You'll learn WHY some noisy groups of students take longer than others to settle down and HOW to get them in a state where they are more likely to stop talking and listen to you so that they enter your classroom on YOUR terms. Here's the link: http://www.behaviourneeds.com/noisycl...
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Michael Smith (8 hours ago)
wonderful. thank you so much!
Fantastic.Big Thank you
Brilliant! I'm going to share this on LinkedIn. Best of luck, Sandrine
nycinstyle (1 day ago)
TO CLASS ROOM TEACHERS: The best way to teach students is to ask questions and call on many students to each give their answer whether it is right or wrong. Then the teacher lets the students know the right answer. Keep it up every time you ask a question regarding the material students need to learn. This way students are not afraid to answer and all students will very soon have to answer as the teacher continues to call on multiple students (in no pattern so students dont know when they will be called on) for an answer to every question. It works. Every student must stay focused and involved in the lesson. Near the end of the period hand out a question or a couple or so questions regarding the lesson. Students must have their notebooks on their desks and open when you give them the hand out near end of period. Then collect everyone's handout before they leave at the end of class. Walk around room to make sure all students took the notes you wrote on the board when they are answering the questions you gave them on the hand out near the end of class. The notebook (taking notes everyday) is part of their grade. The next day at start of class have another problem or few problems on a handout placed on each desk.when students enter class,they need to sit at their desks and answer the questions. Give them about 5 minutes. Then collect everyone'spaper. Then start your lesson and do the same routine as you did yesterday. Every student must answer questions verbally during the lesson everyday. Every student must answer questions involving the material at the beginning and end of classes. Every student must take notes. Every student learns and makes achievements in school. This guy (teacher) in the video is excellent with giving advice and sharing his strategies for effective class room management! I agree with him.In fact, everyday students need to line up in the hall as you stand at the doorway and when they enter they need to look at you in the eyes and say hello Mrs. or Mr or Ms " ". and you as their teacher need to look each student in the eyes and say hello (and state student's name) every single day. As you stand in doorway and students enter quickly one after another and get into the same routine quickly - they need to go sit at their desk and do the work in the start of class handout you placed on their desks.
hope southstar (2 days ago)
Have the eyes of a bee searching for beautiful flowers, not the eyes of a fly looking for rubbish.
You did a good job explaining and reinforcing what we tend to forget, and it sure does make a difference. Firm and friendly is what it´s all about. Non-confrontational and chit chat are simple actions that will set a positive tone right away. A little sense of humor as well! Thanks for great tips.
Vicki Harrison (3 days ago)
Very helpful tips! I am a new substitute and learning. Thank you!
Tim Crowe (4 days ago)
Impressed so far!
azam vakili (4 days ago)
Really good. Thank you so much.
ron ron (5 days ago)
great video, great strategy and so simple
Ms A Angela Addonizio (5 days ago)
Thank You! sounds like a simple solution.
Fred Sita (5 days ago)
thanks very much just facing the very pbm of the noisy classroom and this is so helpful and practical
Andra Chise (8 days ago)
Great management tips ! Thank you, brilliant teacher!
DelusionDispeller (8 days ago)
Hello Rob. I have 2 degrees in Psychology, am a life coach on Youtube and started in a para-educator position last year. I'm in my 2nd year now so I know a lot of the children from last year still. I wholeheartedly agree with what you are saying about chit-chat and getting into the culture of the students. I have seen teachers who yell at the teens (my age group is 9th and 10th grade this year mostly), and those children DO NOT respect those types of teachers at ALL! With me, I take the students on walks, listen to them, make gentle comments about what they are interested in and also share a bit of my life with them. I I often tell them how I'm sad when they aren't in the classroom with us (because they end up in discipline rooms). I hear comments from them like "wow, never heard ANY teacher say that before!" or "you are the only teacher whose ever actually wanted me here with you." Two students repeatedly tell me "YOU should be the principal" or "I wish YOU could be our teacher." It's flattering to hear all that and to know I"m doing the right thing by them, but moreso it moves me to tears of excitement and humility to know that I have such an impact on students that society and mainstream schools saw as hopeless and unable to learn or modify their behaviors. I will keep on learning from your videos too. Thank you for sharing from your experience and knowledge. Very helpful and I appreciate you!
KelleaKenyon (9 days ago)
Thank you. Great advice. I'm a new secondary trainee and have been observing a really difficult class. This video has given me some much needed strategies that I will be putting to use.
Dean Moore (9 days ago)
i enjoy my students, even the rowdy and rude ones. even when I'm subbing, they quickly know I value them, and that they are important to me. this video is great, he is correct, but if they know you are there for their benefit, that the school is there for them, not the opposite, you will get better results. tell them how awesome they are and eventually they will rise to that standard, if nothing else, if you are the fair, but fun/caring teacher that is well liked and respected, the bad kids will be shamed for giving you trouble by their peers. positive peer pressure is amazing. but so are your students, make sure they know it, and give them the opportunity to rise to the occasion. I've done this in poor title 1 schools, it works, firm, fair and caring works. good video, thanks
Shab Yasmeen (10 days ago)
Its a good video but class time is only 50-60min while chit chattingboutside can waste the time for the rest of the class who arent involved.
Rob Plevin (9 days ago)
If you watch the other videos (or read my book (take control of the noisy class) you'll see there is a solution for that. ;-)
K V (11 days ago)
This is great! I used this when working with students who are in Gr3+ however, I now work with preschoolers and none of these methods seem effective. Struggling to find videos that can adequately help me to discipline younger kids, especially when English is their second language. Feeling a bit in over my head.
K V (9 days ago)
Today was day 3 with the young students and I noticed some improvement after using your suggestions. Will keep implementing this, thanks!
Rob Plevin (9 days ago)
Use visuals for those who struggle with the language - have posters showing images of children lining up, sitting appropriately etc. Pick a different student each day to act as 'model' and have them show others how to behave. Always put more emphasis on those that are doing it RIGHT - lots of praise - when dealing with younger students (they CRAVE attention). x
Katy Parker (11 days ago)
brilliant!!! Such simple techniques to implement... yet, I would never have thought of ANY of them!!! Thankyou! I will be sharing this with my teaching friends (and watching your other vids!)
Rob Plevin (9 days ago)
My pleasure
Sanjay Malakar (12 days ago)
thats great
Cheryl Rogers (13 days ago)
Rob, thank you for this awesome video.
Rob Plevin (9 days ago)
Pleasure
Emma Mc Morrow (13 days ago)
I've used this strategy- absolutely works. Informal chit chat also a #1 technique.
playitfwd42 (13 days ago)
Thank you so much for sharing your classroom management strategies. As a new teacher I also sucked at classroom management and it was quite frustrating but after watching your video, I find your tools and strategies really helpful.
Rob Plevin (9 days ago)
Great stuff :-)
Reiness Marsh (14 days ago)
Great strategies Mr Plevin. Thanks for sharing.
Rob Plevin (9 days ago)
My pleasure
carti G (14 days ago)
Strategies like this are often too overlooked in College and even the professional level.
Rob Plevin (9 days ago)
Absolutely
Fayaz Mulla (15 days ago)
Thanks for enlightening me
Tatiana Lyapunova (17 days ago)
brilliant! that is exactly what I need before my first ever esl lesson starts))) p.s. otherwise,fail to prepare, prepare to fail😉 thanks again
1sola1verita (18 days ago)
thank you for the very candid sharing of your experience and useful advice!! I teach English (ESL) mainly to very young children, age 3-6, some of whom have known behavioural problems. Nonetheless, your advice is valid and it's absolutely essential to take control before the kids enter the class.
vaderlan (18 days ago)
I realyy need this help. I will try to do what you've said. I'm totally stressed with my students. They don't take me seriously.
Gaius Caligula (19 days ago)
Teaching seems to be more about people management than anything else
kotmark (20 days ago)
Thanks Rob!!
The Teacher Diaries (20 days ago)
Excellent advice!
Roy park (21 days ago)
Thanks so much I also know that .but I don't focus on that. So this is very useful
Self Developer (22 days ago)
Thank you rob. Your Tips are amazing. I will apply them in my school. Thanks.. Love from Pakistan.
Julie Dawson (23 days ago)
Great video
Joseph German (23 days ago)
Rob. Thanks for making the video. I love your ideas, I plan to use several of them. One comment. I'm sick people telling teachers that their classroom management skills are the problem, and not the increasing number of broken families, not the dual income families, not the complete lack of admin support, not the lack of disciplinary options, not the expansion of drugs into teenage culture, and not the increase in class sizes. In 1950, your two classroom management strategies would have worked just fine, and you'd have had to use them once or twice a year. The current problems are different, and overwhelming. Start there, won't you please? Give teachers some respect, for it surely not we who have faltered, in fact, we have improved over the years while the problems have grown. With that beginning, all the good ideas and strategies are obviously very helpful, because we all care for our students, in spite of the weight of so many other failures upon our profession.
Rob Plevin (12 days ago)
Hi Joseph. All those things you've mentioned are of course very relevant in as much as that are going to impact on a child's mood and behaviour. There is a problem with blaming the situation on those things however - and that is that doing so takes you into victim mode. Classroom management is the only thing you can change directly yourself - all these other things are outside your sphere of influence. It's only my opinion but I feel it is detrimental to yourself when you focus your energy on things you can't change.
Ahmad Rezki (24 days ago)
Thank you so much, I got new Inspiration by watched it
Always helpful
Nawal (27 days ago)
Thank you
Angela Defoe (27 days ago)
Thank you for your videos. Starting PGCE Secondary Computing in few weeks.
Adelle Willis (27 days ago)
Very helpful!
Oxana Tchebotareva (28 days ago)
Non-confrontational chit-chat before starting a class sounds quite useful
Em Jay (30 days ago)
Ah thanks! will try the non confrontational statements! great advice.
Heather Baker-Sullivan (1 month ago)
You are a teacher with a great heart! We have very narrow corridors in my school which can quickly fill up and be unpredictable scenes of noise and chaos - and children who arrive at differing times so we can't hold them for too long in the hall. Still, I agree that letting them in group by group - best behavior first - especially at the beginning of the school year - will give those who are really attention seeking a chance to be recognized and supported some privacy, and give the others, those kids who are really sensitive to the noise and hate the pushing get in more quickly. The latter will gravitate toward the front of the line anyway so I can see that over time this technique could work for our situation. You worked in alot more than just entering the classroom - not shouting, not sending kids out of the room, noticing and calling out positive behaviors (not negative). Thanks alot!!!
caritolamaravilla (1 month ago)
Super!,, very useful
nadine daccache (1 month ago)
I'll try that!
Carlos Vera (1 month ago)
That was inpiring as well as extremely useful. No doubt I will be using your techniques
Heidi Pencov (1 month ago)
great advice thank you
dark shine (1 month ago)
Boiiii look at that hair line with your over nine thousand lookin ass 😎
Santos Tesla (1 month ago)
Have you read John Taylor gatto book's " the underground history of American Education"??? Yet!
Bishnu Magar (1 month ago)
Dear Rob Plevin, its a genuine teacher from Nepal who is involved in teaching for more than two decades. In my initial journey of being teacher i used cane (as using it was a kind of classroom management culture in the country). However, nowadays i have just transformed myself into just opposite of what i used to be and have been using this strategy of being informal with the students which has worked a lot in my teaching-learning procedures. Today,i found the strategy is genuine and practicable. thank you for your great work of uploading this video. i hope it will help all the teachers who use still a traditional teaching method in the country like, Nepal and other third world countries. In my point of view, being a teacher means one has to be very much innovative in dealing with classroom management. Thank you once again for this good work.
Nisrin Zinati (1 month ago)
Amazing. I ve learnt a great deal from this video as well as other ones.
Annabelle Rankin (1 month ago)
informal chit-chat need not be exclusively about their culture - don't forget you are the teacher, talk about things to them in a grown-up way.
janetwaasdorp (1 month ago)
Spot on! Bravo! Thank you! I loved the authenticity and spontaneity. I am a full professor of teacher education and have two catch phrases I knew to be true AND now have proof of thanks to you: 1. You can go to college to become lots of things (technology, trades, food prep, architect,) but becoming a teacher ain’t one of them; you gotta be born a teacher; and 2. You can pay people to do a job but you can’t pay them to give a damn (trademarked; for proprietary use only)
Edvin Palmer (1 month ago)
This is a very useful video with awesome tips. I loved it, and look forward to watching video number 2.
Darshan Agrawal (1 month ago)
but i dont appreciate this teaching method that much 1st point agreed 2nd point hey we have to uplift the level of student to our level and not to downgrade our level and tnx like your work by the way .
fatih ciftci (1 month ago)
spot on, can do more or less yet all will be helpful. I have been trying and clearly , it is working.
faraday delacamara (1 month ago)
This is so helpful for those groups that really challenge us. Great idea to begin creating relationships and establishing expectations outside the classroom.
Eileen Keating (1 month ago)
Enjoyed this first video. Honest helpful information. thanks.
Pearline Mannikam (1 month ago)
Hi, I"m a new substitute teacher and it was my 3rd day. On my first 2 days I thought I was not going to make it! I tried this technique today with all my grades (8 and 9) and even the most difficult class worked very well! I coupled it with "Give me 5" - 5 countdown to settling, and it works amazingly. Hope it continues to work. Thank you so much, what a difference it made!
Jsggffsj Shyfgwig (1 month ago)
I'm an English teacher and I'll do it
Alton Rowell (1 month ago)
You have a hard job. Drugs, alcohol, crime and school shooting are becoming more Frequent. It's sad to see things Happening in schools nowadays. I personally think the National Guard should be assigned to restore order.
Rob Plevin (1 month ago)
Appreciate the sentiment but you can't fight fire with fire. That's the problem in many schools, they have a discipline problem and respond with harsher and harsher treatments instead of getting to the heart of the matter and addressing the reasons for the misbehaviour in the first place. When a detention doesn't work, they give two. When that doesn't work, they give three. When the Natiuonal Guard doesn't work, what next? Death penalty for being late for class? A ridiculous example but you get the idea - until the adults change their approach, young people will always feel misunderstood and will act accordingly.
Alton Rowell (1 month ago)
Yes your right. You are getting personal with them. A lot of teachers avoid getting personal. It's only a job attachment. Yes u have great advice here. Keep up the great work. GOD bless you.
Alton Rowell (1 month ago)
A 12 gauge discharge would get their attention. Or maybe a tazor rifle. Kid's need to be sent to boot camp. Most kids have neve seen a dead person. They don't have any idia of what being SCARED is . I'm glad I don't have your job. I would be insane.
Rob Plevin (1 month ago)
I'm sorry, but you actually sound as though you already might be. Please seek help before you hurt someone.
Ahsan Farooqui (1 month ago)
wow...you made my day... I am having this problem.. tomorrow I would apply that for sure... Thanks
bedh Timal (1 month ago)
Great!!
chenar abdulla (1 month ago)
great vedio. thanks a lot.
Jess Morris (1 month ago)
I find your strategies and stories very relatable! Thank you.
انس الهدار (2 months ago)
Thank u very much , I learnning new things and I happy to listen to your strategy 🙂
Kristin Delpi (2 months ago)
Very helpful!
true true (2 months ago)
You ramble a lot
Noel James (2 months ago)
Quick simple techniques that are often forgotten or dismissed. Thank you!
Adam Harvatis (2 months ago)
Great ideas...
Susan Rushing (2 months ago)
Thank you for your encouragement to use a more positive approach to students starting before they enter the classroom.
Captain captain (2 months ago)
I once splitted two students who were sitting together and talking and disturbing others during the lesson. One of them was furious and even knowing that I am not happy with her behavior tried to confront me. The question is how to tell them that what they are doing is wrong that does not result in further confrontations? Because sometimes being human you do lose patience.
Captain captain (2 months ago)
Three years ago gratuated and immediately went to teach to secondary classes as a freshman. Schools usually hire fresh graduates as teachers for low salary. After a month I was at my wit's end and my throat gave up after constant screaming. I never anticipated, because I was unprepared and had old school perception of teaching; the way I was taught. Besides, I felt underpaid and disespected by both my supervisor and students. The students were noisey and I felt invisible in the class. They did not listen to me unless I would bang the duster on a table to get attention. The supervisor seemed discouraging all the time even I did my best; evaluating me in front of my students. Before resigning I told her that at sometimes I feel loosing control over students and she said I have to do it because its my job. It is always a teacher's fault, never the students'. It was too much for 45 minutes. You have to sign notebooks, teach the lesson, collect notebooks, screaming at students to pay attention, being soft so they do not hate you and distant at the same time so the do not ask personal questions which they should not, being always worried whether I got everything completed according to the lesson plan. I do not like punishing and rebuking so I was fed up with screaming myself. Schools are best place to learn perhaps but not to teach.
Manjitt Gupta (2 months ago)
Awesome. I've been using this strategy for the last couple of years now. It realy works.
tracylouise1111 (2 months ago)
TY! Good ideas!
Asawer Hasan (2 months ago)
It was really beneficial, thanks a lot and keep going 👏🏻
Pro Gamer (2 months ago)
hey ..just asking ...the left part of the lips seems little bit stiff..are you facing any medical problem at the moment
Rob Plevin (2 months ago)
yup
Priya Gupta (2 months ago)
What if the kids do not want to talk to me?
Soloxoman (2 months ago)
Classroom management is about managing the classroom through routines, like lining up etc Behaviour or discipline management is about consequences for not following rules etc Better the classroom management the easier and the less need for behaviour management
Juan Huang (2 months ago)
This is a useful video which can helps teachers a lot! Thank you so much for sharing it!
micky ntutumu ondo (3 months ago)
thank you very much for the video and cant wait to get my first day at work to use the strategies
Rosina shahid (3 months ago)
It was a very positive video. It was an asset as I will start working in school for boys (10 years). i found this video a really guidance. Thank you for sharing your experience.
선바순 (3 months ago)
Thank you! It really helpful for me to organize my class situation.
Cynthia Sevin (3 months ago)
This first video is a great help and I plan on watching the rest. I broke rule #1 nearly every day this year, letting in my noisy students from the hall into class. And it took 5-10 minutes to get them settled. I look forward to more of Rob's tips and implementing them next school year.
Janine K (3 months ago)
One challenge I have as a substitute teacher when going into a class first time is sometimes the mere fact I’m a sub has the kids minds made up already that because I’m a sub they don’t need to respect or listen . I have found when I was more regular at a school and could build rapport I didn’t have those issues nearly as much . Classes were more pleasant to teach . I also find if a class is hard for their own teacher they are even harder for subs. What’s your advice there ? Today I will go to a p.d session called teaching and reaching them all which is about reaching the most difficult kids.
Rob Plevin (3 months ago)
This can be a problem but you are obviously aware of the solution - you simply have to have ways to build rapport quickly. I teach a way to build relationships with students by putting emphasis on just two areas - showing that you sincerely care about them & communicating effectively and frequently with them. If you think about all your closest relationships they will have frequent communication and care and attention at their core; it's impossible to have a trusting, loving relationship with someone without communicating with them and without showing a deep level of care, respect & love for that person. So it's a case of going out of your way to ensure they know you have their interests at heart and communicating this to them. For a full explanation of this together with a range of fast-acting relationship builders see my book on Amazon - Connecting with Students (Or The #1 Secret to Effective Classroom Management). Best of luck x
Janine K (3 months ago)
Also I’m 4’11” and I find sometimes that adds to the challenge . What should I say to the rude 8-12 year olds who say I’m almost as tall as you or why are you short ? I sometimes tell them that’s rude.
Jim Koblick (3 months ago)
Good Stuff !  Thanks !
Dannyel García (4 months ago)
This is what I needed for one of my groups.
Mira Leventhal-Abudi (4 months ago)
Thank you so much for your helpful videos. I am a new teacher (second career) and am struggling with classroom management. I have a question - I teach English as a second language, and am not a homeroom teacher, so the kids are already in the room when I get there. How would you implement your strategies if they are already in the room and rowdy?
Sakshi Jindal (4 months ago)
i was really in search of something like this. will try in my class soon.
Melanie Rivera (4 months ago)
the 1st week of class is crucial to establish yourself as a strong authority and then build rapport. Let the students know at the door, like you say, who is boss. But once they enter the class, calm the voice and start to get to know kids. I was a teacher at a very challenging school when I began my teaching career and did this, in the end it was very effective. I Now, if a teacher established authority at the door and students continued their "sillyness" in the class, I would stop and make them line up again outside. I did this several times until they understood. Once they recognize the teacher is in charge I told them this: You do not have to like me, you do not have to like eachother but in my classroom we will atleast resepect each other. And if you feel like I am not respecting you then, by all means, I want you to write a letter to the assistant principal or Principal and clearly express your arguement. Please keep in mind to provide evidence to defend your complaint against me which means you must keep documented evidence to use. If you step out of line and do not do what I say, I will too, keep a record and have you write and sign your mistakes. If you want to accuse me that is fine, but know that I too am keeping a record. I want us all to feel free to express our VALID opinions and be heard. That is what our country is made of. However, we can not go to our higher ups with an unfounded accusation". My class has had success in respecting me first and knowing that my classroom is my second home (because I told my students that I arrive at 7 am and do not leave until about 5:30pm). I related that with them in what is expected of a guest to behave like in their home. I even modeled a scenerio where I pretended to be a guest and did the exact same things to them (rudeness, talking back, taking what I wanted, speaking out of turn, inturrupting with an idea that was completely off base) and they were so mad at me. I said "well, just like you don't like people coming into your house and being mean and inconsiderate, I do not like students coming into my class and doing that. It's tit-for-tat". Behold, my kids who may not like me everyday, but still learn.
iñigo Hernaez (5 months ago)
Great
Johnny Dukane (5 months ago)
Thanks! Great insight.
AlaskaDragon Wolf (5 months ago)
I like that you spelled out a couple of bite sized manageable chunks to think about and act on right away. I have done all the things you mention both positive and negative. Now I see it spelled out for me, what I was doing that lead to x behavior and what I was doing well that led to another type of behavior, let's call it "y". As you can see I think in a math like way.. behavior b1= x and behavior b2 = y. Thank you for the insight! : )
Alok Debta (5 months ago)
Sir,you r the real great advisoror........
samrah manal (5 months ago)
It was really helpful. It let's you peak into the students mind just a little bit
Rachel Seidel (5 months ago)
Amazing tips!
Chris Patton (5 months ago)
I can tell you as a teacher at the school I’m at, that don’t work. I actually did that long before I watched this video making the kids stay in the hallway to settle them down. They’d just stay out in the hallway and keep acting up so they didn’t have to come in the room. And positive focuses don’t help either. I told a group of students they were excellent workers and the best class grade wise and that suddenly made them think they had my favoritism and they could do whatever they wanted.
Rob Plevin (4 months ago)
Hi Chris, inner city school environments are all similar. Similar kids, similar problems, same solution - a supportive framework of love, respect and consistent boundaries. You sound like you really care and I applaud that. You've clearly tried a lot of different tricks and strategies but to be blunt none of them will work, certainly not for any length of time, unless the framework is in place. When I talk about this particular method (the method of filtering them at the door) I place emphasis on that framework. It is part and parcel of any successful approach - no amount of strategies, tricks and methods will work unless applied consistently, within a supportive framework. One thing that I notice from your reply is that you say students are entering a classroom chasing each other, slapping each other and knocking desks over. That is probably why the method is failing - part of the framework is missing. Where are the consistent boundaries? When we let them get away with any of that behaviour they will naturally repeat it. The method works - but there is a lot more to it than just making them line up at the door.
Chris Patton (5 months ago)
Rob Plevin, I hate to tell you, but yes, it is the method. You have no idea where I teach and you have no idea what it’s like. It’s an inner city school of mostly African-American students, and I am the white outsider. There’s 35-38 of them per class period and one of me. Every day before they enter I tell them to come in and follow procedure, which is posted on the wall. I say good whatever to them as they enter and high five or shake all their hands. I walk in and I have kids knocking over desk, chasing each other around, slapping one another, and with a Bell Ringer on the board I still have to raise my voice in order to get over all the noise. We’ve tried the raise a hand method, we’ve tried reward charts, we’ve tried reward parties, and we’ve done exactly what you said to do for your method, and your method doesn’t work. Argue it all you want but you clearly don’t have a good understanding of a public inner city school environment. And even with all my problems I’m said to have the best rapport with all my students, but it still doesn’t help with their behavior.
Rob Plevin (5 months ago)
It's the way you settle them down that counts - the way you speak to them, the way you interact with them. They pick up on your attitude and your feelings towards them. Not saying you have a bad attitude, but if this isn't working it is definitely not the strategy that's wrong.

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